Wednesday, 28 February 2018

4 Effective Tips to Create Customers for Life with the Perfect Onboard Messaging Sequence

The very beginning of any relationship is awkward.

Do you think your customers feel that way about the beginning of their relationship with you?

Because if they do, that’s bad. It’s a severe threat to your business!

It’s kind of like being on time for a party. Everyone’s feeling things out, sizing up the room, and trying to find a cozy place to gel while the party gets going. At least, that’s if things go smoothly.

Other times it’s more like those middle school dance parties where there are too many chaperones, and no one knows what to do.

So you stand around awkwardly until your mom picks you up.

As the saying goes, the “seeds of churn are planted early.“ Your customer onboarding experience will determine the overall quality and longevity of your business relationship.

But how do you create the perfect onboarding experience?

And better yet, how do you make it seem like you’re not overly market-ey?

Because a relationship should feel natural. It should be guidance and friendship instead of skywriting that says BUY NOW.

I know you get what I’m saying because you’ve probably been on both sides of that coin.

So I want to knuckle down in this post and show you how to avoid the early missteps and build bridges that will last a lifetime.

Your brand will flourish, your business will grow, and you might even feel a little more fulfillment in the connections you make.

I’m going to show you how to build the perfect onboard messaging sequence.

But first, let’s talk about why you should even pay attention to your onboarding in the first place.

Why you should care about your onboarding experience

Onboarding is a broad term.

It’s not a single instance you can point to and say “this is onboarding,” because it’s describing an entire process.

It’s the journey a customer takes from the first click to their first success.

GrooveHQ conveys it well with a simple graph:

They’ve turned “first click” into “acquisition,” but the point is the same.

We’re specifically focusing on the beginning of the customer relationship, and we’re not just doing to call it a “sales thing.”

Anyone can do this and do it well.

One of the other terms you’ll hear thrown around when talking about onboarding is the concept of “churn.”

You’ve already heard me mention it, but I want to dig a little deeper before we progress.

Churn is synonymous with problems.

Let’s compare it to noticing one week into a new relationship that your girlfriend is hiding her phone.

The seeds of doubt – or of churn – are planted early.

This isn’t a new concept either.

The most significant problems usually start early in the process, and the same is true for customer relationships.

Where onboarding plays such a vital role is that the opposite of everything I just said is also true.

Seeds of churn can be planted early, but so are the seeds of success, as this anecdote from Kahuna Accounting conveys.

In just 12 months, they went from $0 to $480k annually.

How did they accomplish that?

They focused on their onboarding experience!

I’ll talk a little more about the specifics of what they did in a minute, but I want to wrap up our discussion about onboarding first.

According to Tallyfy, your onboarding experience should seek to answer two questions:

  1. Have you successfully introduced your new client to your business and addressed all their questions and concerns early on?
  2. Have you gathered information on your client so you have insight into what products and services would benefit them?

Let’s unwrap these two thoughts by looking at what AppCues did with their client Canva’s onboarding sequence.

How do they go about introducing themselves and addressing concerns?

For starters, they looked for growth opportunities and provided the organization with a way to gather data.

As you’ll see in the image below, there’s a link to a quick two-minute survey that they send in the welcome email.

I want to repeat that: they put it in the welcome email.

Why? Because they wanted to know if they were doing everything they could to satisfy their new customers.

Once their data confirmed that Canva knew their user base and provided for their needs, they decided to start forming hypotheses and experimenting.

They revamped their onboarding sequence so that customers would see this upon arrival:

What were the results? They had a 10% increase in activation for this particular project type.

So you see that finding the right approach to take your client from acquisition to success is the onboarding sequence.

You’ll address their concerns and find new ways to benefit them.

I want to make one final point about customer onboarding, in case there’s any doubt in your mind about its importance.

Way back in 2000, Harvard Business School published a fascinating study that revealed one very telling fact:

In the long term, it’s more profitable to retain old customers than win new ones.

This is old-school knowledge, but it’s relevant nonetheless.

Retention has been proven time and again to be a cheaper and more profitable route than acquiring new customers.

And if the future of your relationships starts at its’ inception, then I hope you’re paying attention to what comes next.

1. Interview the Right People

To send the right message, you have to know what your audience wants to hear.

And you need to be able to do it across any industry, no matter the pain points.

I want to go back to our example from Kahuna Accounting for a moment, because what they did stands out as an excellent example of this approach.

Sixteen Ventures shared their story in a podcast, but here’s the gist of it:

They started with the assumption that their customers knew more than they did.

So to test that assumption, they interviewed anyone and everyone who was in their targeted niche.

They interviewed the ideal clients.

They questioned the clients you wouldn’t touch with a ten-foot pole.

They even found thought leaders and bloggers to talk to who would share their experiences.

By going incredibly narrow and capitalizing on their niche, they found that the world seemed to get smaller.

However, the interviews gave them direction. All of their marketing was poured into their findings.

They learned to speak their language and built a customer landing page to push their campaign.

They even wrote a whitepaper based on the information from the interviews.

Strategic ads, guest blogs, and collaborations abounded.

One year later, they’d gone from $0 to $480k. All because of some interviews.

You don’t always have the opportunity to ask questions in person though, and it’s not always about setting up interviews anyways.

Some services, like Shopify, re-engage with their target audience by reminding them of their pocketbook:

You may have set up a store with them, but they know the reason you’re using their platform is that you want to make money.

You can’t make money if your card isn’t connected.

So they use messaging like this to draw you back in.

They build a trust-oriented relationship that is beneficial for you and them, but they don’t lead with that.

They simply remind you that you can make more money. Cool idea, right?

Here’s another example from fashion designer Paul Smith’s brand:

This is a really simple approach, but it falls in line with getting to know your customer better.

By asking newcomers or recent purchasers to set up a profile, they’re not only learning more about who they sell to, but they’re also deepening the impact of their brand.

Interview or no interview, these processes fall under the umbrella of a process called Customer Development.

Customer Development is a method of finding and qualifying the right market for your business. That’s essentially what Kahuna Accounting did.

The idea is to build a product around elements that solve your customers’ needs, then find the right ways to convert customers.

All of this is ideally accomplished while organizing your methods so that your business is scalable, too.

And this is a critical issue too because it’s a process by which you can answer the question “Is what I’m doing truly needed?” before you invest your time and money into an endeavor that will ultimately fail.

But that’s ultimately why interviews are so important, even when we get interview anxiety or feel awkward about it.

It’s a make-or-break situation, not an optional convenience.

I absolutely love CustomerDevLab’s advice for interviews:

  1. Crawl
  2. Walk
  3. Run

It’s a little tongue-in-cheek, but it’s also spot on.

The process of escalating your interviews from partners to family and friends and then finally on to customers makes sense.

It provides a gradual and honest understanding of the environment around your businesses.

I highly recommend it.

If you want more guides and resources for Customer Development, I highly recommend you check out this compilation of 26 resources we put together.

2. Find out where your funnel is leaking

After you’ve done your interviews, it’s time to take a look inside your boat. Metaphorically speaking, that is.

What I mean is that you need to take a long, hard look at your sales funnel and find where people are falling out.

It doesn’t matter if it’s shortly after acquisition or just before the sale, knowing where and why your leads are dropping out will give you the knowledge to fix it.

Do you see the drop off between the first and second stages in the image above?

That shouldn’t happen!

It’s quite apparent that this part of the funnel has the most significant pain points, which means it deserves the most attention.

And before you get carried away and think that a massive drop like that is a failure, it’s not.

That’s an opportunity.

So how can you cash in on an opportunity like this?

It could be a number of things, but I’ll start with the issue we’ve been addressing all along: relationships.

It’s entirely plausible that a drop like this could mean you’re either asking for something too soon or not building enough trust.

Instapage gave some great advice on how you can also focus on relationships to increase conversion rates in your funnel. They recommend:

  • Show people they have a problem.
  • Define success on their terms.
  • Give leads more access to your product.
  • Show your leads more attention and treat them like people
  • Keep your cool through mistakes and churn.

If you’re human, that probably sounds a bit scary.

I know the first time I heard it I was a bit concerned.

You want me to tell people they have a problem but let them decide what success looks like?

I get that reaction! You’re putting so much power into your customer’s hands, but it pays to remember the Trust Equation here:

You’re attempting to build credibility, reliability, and intimacy to gain the unwavering trust of your customer.

Trust is what leads to relationships, and relationships lead to sales and retention. It’s all one big cycle that you have to trust.

Ironic, I know.

So focus on relationships first. And keep in mind that it’s also possible your problems have nothing to do with relationships.

Now, wait.

I just told you that you’re losing leads because of relationships, but then backed off and said you might not be losing leads because of relationships?

I know, it’s confusing. But I’m allowing for the possibility that you’re doing a great job and still have a leaky funnel. That’s entirely possible!

For example, you could be losing up to 53% of your landing page’s visitors just because of long load times.

Instapage recently shared that even a seven-second difference doubles the likelihood that a visitor won’t even stay around long enough to view your offer.

That means your onboarding is dead before it starts!

So the point here is though that ultimately you’ll only know where the holes in your funnel are if you’re paying attention.

And the even bigger truth is that you’ll only ever fix them if you are in tune with your customer relationships.

3. Check in regularly

Once you’ve patched up your funnel, you need to look a little deeper into the regularity of your messaging.

It’s the perfect opportunity to use all those tips on email onboarding you’ve been reading.

You’ll see a lot of elements from SparkPage’s Anatomy of a Perfect Email Onboarding Flow here.

Communication with proper timing and perfect messaging will help push customers through your onboarding experience to their first success.

But that communication is a delicate balancing act that asks one all-important question:

How do you strike the perfect chord of helpful contact without providing too much or too little?

You don’t want to go ghost go on your new client while they’re trying to figure out your service.

You also don’t want to be spammy.

It’s the problem of copywriters and email marketers everywhere.

To help you get an idea of what timely and helpful content looks like, I want to take a leaf out of Grammarly’s book.

If you’re not familiar with Grammarly, it’s an online editorial tool used by millions of writers to help double check for errors before they get called out by Reddit.

I recently started a free trial with them. I then upgraded because I was impressed with the product and the onboarding experience.

Shortly after signing up, I got this friendly and helpful welcome:

They just wanted to let me know what I could immediately expect from their service. I poked around and enjoyed the interface, and even plugged in an article I’d written to test it out.

After a few days of trying their product religiously (I admit I was in love), Grammarly then provided some subtle nudging about the perks of their paid product.

I could get added features that would improve my writing even more?

Uh, yes.

The next day, the conversation continued with them telling me about some of the improvements they had made since they began their editorial journey.

As a member of their target market, they had me. I was enthralled.

Better yet, I was excited when seven days after starting I received a gamified report card of my weekly writing.

I was more productive than 97% of Grammarly writers?

You’ve no idea how proud that made me, even though I didn’t have any inclination about the size of their user base.

They showed me my first success, and it felt great.

So I kept using the free service, and Grammarly kept hitting me up.

They checked in from time to time to make sure I was doing okay.

Of course with a subtle push toward the heightened capabilities of their paid product.

They even sent me an email asking for a review:

Pretty soon I couldn’t help it.

The service was excellent, and I wanted more capabilities to help me improve my writing style, so I pulled out my credit card.

As soon as I signed up for their service, I was ushered to their service team to make sure there were zero issues with my transition.

It was a dream come true.

By staying in touch, anticipating my needs, and following through on the fulfillment, Grammarly created an onboarding experience that I just couldn’t resist.

I still use their services and have even recommended it to some of my other writer friends.

But just think of all the elements that kept me engaged in their brand.
The weekly progress reports kept me excited to write.
Asking for feedback kept them honest.

And immediately hooking me up with support made sure that my movement to a more powerful service went perfectly.

The power of knowing your audience and appropriately timing your messages can take any user from acquisition to success.

If your onboarding sequence isn’t regular and exciting enough to cause a stir around your brand, it’s time to go back to the drawing board.

4. Utilize Chat and Messaging

I want to stay on the topic of communication for one more moment because it doesn’t have to just be via email or in person.

You have the option to engage in real time communication with your leads and customers that can boost retention and keep people happy with your services.

According to Sonar, you can make a strong first impression by utilizing SMS onboarding as a creative way to connect with new clients.

Look at how a service like DrinkEasy does it:

You see how they take the opportunity to get to know their customer and explain their service.

They ask what drinks the client likes, lay out the process, and even ask for a way to personalize the process.

If the customer has any questions or requests, they’re invited to ask.

Once they start to push their product, the conversation continues on the same text chain.

Everything works in context, and it’s a beautiful sight to behold.

They use SMS to share their product findings and a few interesting facts.

You then have the option to buy, pass, or request something else. All via text. No email, no phone calls, and no in-person awkwardness.

Another option that will let you streamline your communication and decrease the number of man hours involved is a Chatbot.

Early versions, like Cleverbot, made people doubt the validity of using tools like this at first.

I didn’t screencap this on Christmas.

But Chatbots aren’t quite the same. Cleverbot actually “learns” from people.

A good Chatbot can provide resources and quick answers in an onboarding process that don’t end up like the example above.

Take Facebook’s bots. They can do some amazing work on their platform.

For example, you can now have a bot crawl for relevant content and actually post it to a Group or Page:

Those same bots can also recommend pieces to your audience by directly tagging them in a comment below the post.

It’s exactly like when you want to share content with a friend, but automated.

And you can also set up pre-scripted bot-to-user messaging like this:

The possibilities are endless, and you can always make updates as you innovate and implement new ideas.

How you would use a tool like SMS or Chatbots in your business is up to you.

The ultimate application is that finding innovative ways to communicate with your customer can yield positive results.

You just have to do the innovating yourself.

Conclusion

So whether you’re in middle school dance mode or are already into the beat, finding ways to sidle into a relationship and optimize your customer onboarding is just a good idea.

Remember that the seeds of churn or success are planted early. Whichever one grows is up to you.

Finding methods to create the perfect onboarding sequence varies greatly by industry and even client to client.

Just because it works for your buddy in Silicon Valley doesn’t mean it will work in your NYC startup.

Speak to knowledgeable people in your industry and bite the customer development bullet.

Search for flexible ways to adapt your onboarding experience.

It’s the best way to keep it productive and stop your funnel from leaking. Plus, it will keep your sales team busy.

Lastly, optimize the way you communicate.

Make your new customer feel valued but not overwhelmed.

You can even consider a new approach like SMS or live chat to create a new spin on your product or service.

Whatever you do, just make sure you get your onboarding right.

How do you create the perfect client onboarding experience?

About the Author: Neil Patel is the cofounder of Neil Patel Digital.



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Why Podcasting Should Be A High-Priority Content Platform This Year

Why Podcasting Should Be A High-Priority Content Platform This Year written by John Jantsch read more at Duct Tape Marketing

I talked about the benefits of podcasting quite a bit last year, and with the new year up and running, I wanted to take the time to re-stress the value that podcasting can bring to your business ( I can’t even begin to explain the wonders it has done for mine). Plus, it’s actually very easy to set up and is a much more efficient use of your time compared to how long it takes to create other pieces of content.

If you haven’t already included it somewhere in your plans for the next 12 months, I highly recommend doing so, and here are a few of my reasons why.

1. Increased engagement

Let’s face it, these days, it’s hard to pay attention to content for extended periods of time. With podcasts, however, you can fit them into your day whenever it works best for you, making the consumption of this type of content for extended periods of time far more common than it is with other forms of content.

This gives you opportunities to showcase your knowledge in a way that you’re unable to otherwise. This goes without saying, but having your brand in front of your audience for extended periods of time can be extremely valuable.

2. Less competition

As of July 2017, there were around 350 million blogs from Tumblr alone. If that stat doesn’t show you how crowded the online space is, I don’t know what will.

Podcasting is different. While becoming increasingly popular year over year, there’s still significantly less competition in this space, making it easier for you to stand out with your target audience.

Podcasting still allows you to compete on an even playing field.

3. Establishes an emotional connection

Podcasting allows you to develop a deeper relationship with your audience. Hearing your voice frequently makes your audience feel like they actually know you. The more a person feels like they know you, the more likely they are to trust you, and in turn, buy from you.

Plus, if people feel a loyalty to you and your brand, they’ll be more likely to leave you positive reviews, which further builds on your trust and credibility.

4. Networking at its best

One of the big surprises to me was the relationships that you develop during an interview.

Reaching out to others to have them as a guest on your show is a great way to build your network. The more people you can connect with, the more you’ll increase chances of referrals, leading to more opportunities and business for your company.

What’s even cooler about networking on this platform is that you can network with people you would never be able to otherwise, like influencers and people you view as mentors or role models.

5. Catalyst for additional content

Creating content is essential to the success of a business today, but finding time to create a bunch of content can be difficult.

So, why reinvent the wheel? With podcasting, you can repurpose the material into other forms of content, such as video or a series of blog posts. Repurposing the content will also help you to further expand your reach because part of your audience may not consume audio-based content, but they may be avid readers and vice versa. See what I mean?

6. Monetization

You certainly don’t have to monetize your podcast if you don’t want to, but if you are interested in making money from your show, there are a number of ways to do that, including:

In general, a podcast is also a great way to build leads, so although the monetary benefits may not be immediate, the business in can bring you over time can be huge.

7. Podcast guesting provides new opportunities

Earlier in this post I discussed how having guests on your podcast can be great for networking, but you being a guest on another person’s podcast can provide the same benefits.

As you are interviewed on more podcasts, your reach begins to snowball. It’s a great way to get exposure with very little effort (far easier than taking the time to write a guest blog on another website).

A few other perks to keep in mind include:

  • Gives you access to an engaged audience outside of your own
  • You have virtually no preparation (the host does the majority of the work)
  • High production value will make the content more shareable
  • There will likely be show notes (and often transcripts) that will drive links back to your website (helping improve your SEO)

Now, in order to be truly effective with podcasting, be sure to have a clear vision of what you’d like to get out of it and know who you are targeting. Once you have those in place, dive in and start receiving the benefits discussed above.

Bottom line, in one interview, with little preparation, you can gain access hundreds or thousands of targeted listeners. Who wouldn’t want that? Do your research, set everything up, and get going.

If you liked this post, check out our Guide to Content Marketing for Small Business.



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Transcript of How to Tap Into the Subscription Economy

Transcript of How to Tap Into the Subscription Economy written by John Jantsch read more at Duct Tape Marketing

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John Jantsch: This episode of the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast is sponsored by Podcast Bookers, podcastbookers.com. Podcasts are really hot, right, but you know what’s also really hot? Appearing as a guest on one of the many, many podcasts out there. Think about it. Much easier than writing a guest blog post. You get some high quality content. You get great back links. People want to share that content. Maybe you can even transcribe that content.

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Hello. Welcome to another episode of the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast. This is John Jantsch, and my guest today is Anne Janzer. She is an author and nonfiction writing coach. She has written books called The Writer’s Process about the inner game of writing creatively and productively, and The Workplace Writers’ Process, something that all these content marketers probably need to know a little bit about. And the book we’re going to talk about today, Subscription Marketing.

So Anne, thanks for joining.

Anne Janzer: Hey, thanks for having me, John.

John Jantsch: So you start the book, Subscription Marketing, off with the concept of the subscription economy, so I wonder if you could maybe sketch out what that is. I know I’ve subscribed for my Kansas City daily paper for years, but I think you’re talking about something much larger than that.

Anne Janzer: Indeed, indeed. So the subscription economy as a term is something that Tien Tzuo of Zuora, I think he’s coined the term, but I think pretty soon we’re just going to be calling it the economy, basically. It’s all the businesses that are shifting their relationships with their customers to be a ongoing relationship based on a subscription.

Now, it sounds esoteric. When I first started talking to people about this two years ago, they would all say, “Well, this sounds fine, Anne, but I’m not marketing a newspaper, so I really don’t need your book,” right? ‘Cause we think subscription, newspaper, magazine. But just look for a moment in your own life at how many things … how many passwords do you maintain? So okay, right there, those are all subscriptions.

And in fact, the subscription model is making inroads in all kinds of things. You can subscribe to cars, right? You can subscribe to industrial chemicals, you can subscribe to your razor blades. I mean, it’s not just consumer media, obviously, and it’s not just software. It’s actually all around us.

John Jantsch: You gave me some examples of the application. I certainly have a number of subscriptions with Amazon, for example, for things, but what are some of the applications for … I think it’s easy to look at companies like that, “Okay, sure, they sell detergent, they sell stuff that I’m going to consume, and they’re just making it.” I used to subscribe by going to Target or Walmart, but now I subscribe by having Amazon send it to me. So what’s it going to mean to marketers as a whole? ‘Cause I think it’s not just a business model; it’s maybe a mindset shift.

Anne Janzer: It is. I mean, that’s exactly it, John. It’s actually a psychological shift. And let’s take a moment and take off the marketing hat and think about you as a customer, because really, the shift we’re interested in is this shift that happens in our customers’ heads. When you just go buy something at the store, you just need to look at it and say, “Okay, this looks like it has enough value, it meets my needs,” and you walk off.

When you subscribe to something, you want to know something a little bit more. You need to trust the company that you’re subscribing to, right? And you need to then decide again and again with each renewal that it is still providing value to you, so that’s a different mindset on behalf of the customer. So as marketers, we have to look at this shift and say, “It’s not enough for me to do the same old thing I’ve been doing, push the sale, push the sale, push the transaction, I actually maybe have to earn some trust, and after the sale I have to continue to demonstrate the value of the service.”

John Jantsch: So in some ways, I mean, we’ve always had that. I mean, it’s always been a good business practice to create a customer experience, the likes of which would make somebody want to buy from you again and again and again and refer their friends. I mean, that’s always been a business model. So are we really just talking about a different approach to delivery of value?

Anne Janzer: Partly. I mean, it’s always been a good business practice, and yet it’s remarkable how often businesses are oriented in a way that does not support that business practice. How many marketing organizations are the people … and sales, are people incentivized simply on net new sales or the sheer number of lead generated and things like that and not on the long-term relationship?

So what’s happening, to me, what the subscription market changes is this, the subscription model changes, is that the longer you’re in business with the subscription business, the more of your revenues shift to those recurring revenues from your existing customers. So now, if I’m in marketing and I’m ignoring that, then basically I’m becoming less and less relevant to the business with each passing year, because I’m levering on a much smaller percentage of the overall revenues. Does that make sense?

John Jantsch: Absolutely. And so it might also change the formula for what a business should be willing to do to acquire a new customer? If our long-term goal is to turn somebody into a subscription, like a lot of magazines, they give the thing away or they give you six months free or they spend a whole lot of money to acquire you even though you’re only a $20 transaction, but if that $20 transaction is for 10 years, then that’s a different model.

Anne Janzer: Exactly. And yet, so the customer acquisition cost is a really important part of the equation, because if you’re giving it away but acquiring the wrong customers, then that’s like that old thing, “Oh, we’re losing money with every unit, but we’ll make it up on the volume.” It’s just not going to work long term.

John Jantsch: All right. So in terms of our product mix, because I think sometimes we talk about all this stuff being changes in marketing, but I think it’s really changes in buying behavior that are driving a lot of this, and so should we be … I’ll come back to the customer experience that keeps people coming back, but should we be thinking about product extensions, service extensions, line extensions, somehow that are purely a subscribe play to make that available, whether it’s a course or it’s an ongoing subscription of some form or ongoing way for somebody to pay for things over time? I mean, is that … in addition to a marketing mindset, do we have to also think about a whole product and service ladder mindset that’s different?

Anne Janzer: Yeah. I think that … People will call me and say, “I’ve got this model and I want to shift to a subscription, and what should I do?” And there is no one answer, because there’s no one model. There’s a lot of different ways. You don’t have to go fully in … you don’t have to switch everything fully into this model if that’s not what makes sense.

Now, I feel like the master class in subscription marketing, to which nearly all of us subscribe, is Amazon, right? But they are not fully a subscription service, right? They sell retail things, but Amazon Prime is their brilliant subscription service. And it’s actually a marketing vehicle for their one-off retail, their transactional retail, as well. So there’s a mixed model of how they’re doing this.

John Jantsch: Yeah. And I think that’s what I was getting at, is if you sell air conditioners and heating units, is there a subscription model in that? Well, maybe the service model or something, or maybe filters as a subscription would be an extension.

Anne Janzer: Yep, yep, exactly. Yes. So you are going to be the best judge of what you might offer and how it’s going to work in your business. There’s no one answer.

John Jantsch: But I think the thing that we have to hammer home is that this is how people want to buy. This is not just something Amazon thought up. Maybe they created a little bit of a hunger for it, but because of that, I think that there are certainly demographics that that’s the only way the will buy. They want to set it and forget it. They want to be able to go online and use their app and get it, and that’s how they want to do transactions.

Anne Janzer: Increasingly there’s a lot of people who would rather pay for access to stuff than stuff itself. That’s true in the consumer. I came from the B2B software industry. That’s where I worked my whole career, and software was very early or relatively early switching over with The Cloud to a subscription model, so this was big enterprises saying, “No, we don’t want to own the software, we don’t want to own the services, just give us the capability.” So that’s another place that that has taken hold.

John Jantsch: I think there’s a dual path with this. So if we talk about the mindset of creating subscription offerings or surrounding your products with subscription services, there also has to be, I think, a real intentional focus on the customer journey inside of all of that. It’s probably been 15 years ago, I coined a term called “The Marketing Hourglass,” which was the intentional … everybody talked about the funnel, which is the first part of Get the Sale, but it’s like, “What happens after the sale?” And to me, that’s the opening up of the hourglass, the second side, so it’s these behaviors of Know, Like, Trust, Try, Buy, Repeat and Refer. And I know my listeners have heard me say that a million times.

I do think that there could be a really powerful combination of not only having this a subscription, but also marrying it with a tremendous customer experience, because I don’t think it’s enough to just say, “Oh, look, we have a subscription model now.” It has to be a great experience, too.

Anne Janzer: Oh, absolutely. I mean, and that is I think the point. You obviously have been writing and thinking from this space all along. With the referral engine, this is exactly what you’re talking about. So obviously there has to be a great customer experience. In the book, Subscription Marketing, I coined a term “value nurturing” as a marketing activity, because we all think about, “Well, I’ve got lead nurturing, lead generation, lead nurturing, but then when the sale is done, I just wash my hands.” And I say, “No, now it’s the other half of the hourglass, essentially,” right? It’s, “Now you need to continue to help the customer.” You have to have a fabulous experience. So the first key is to help the customer find value by being successful, right? You really want those customers who are going to be successful.

You can also add value in other ways, making the company fun to do business with. That’s the relationship part of it. You can add value through content, through data, through communicate, things that marketers know how to do that don’t even have to actually be in the product or service itself but that actually enhance the experience.

John Jantsch: Yeah. And I think it’s pretty easy for people like you and me to talk about, “You have to create a great experience.” But I think a lot of people say, “We [inaudible 00:12:15],” but how do I do that? It’s intentional. It’s not hard. It’s intentional, is what I typically tell people. And it just starts with, I think, looking at all the touch points and saying, “Could we do that better?”

Anne Janzer: Yeah, yeah. Every interaction that you have with a customer in this sort of subscription-related world, it’s not just a transaction; it’s a relationship. And so every interaction, there’s an opportunity in those stupid transactional things, like, “We received your package.” I ordered a CD from CD Baby, I think it was, and they sent the most hilarious shipping notice about the party they were having in downtown Portland, as they lovingly sent my package off to the post office. I mean, that just made the experience more fun. It had nothing to do with the thing itself. It was an email. But it made the experience, that relationship I had with the company, a little bit different.

John Jantsch: So it’s easy for people to point to Amazon. Do you have in your research or in your talking to business owners out there, do you have any kind of unique examples of where you’ve seen somebody apply this?

Anne Janzer: There’s so many places that are doing different parts. And so here’s the key, John, that I think your listeners should think about, is don’t just look at what people in your industry are doing, because when it comes to having a subscription model, you can learn … basically everyone’s trying to solve the same set of problems that has to do with the relationship, so go ahead and look far and wide.

So one of the most interesting subscription businesses that I heard of was called Pley, P-L-E-Y, and although they branched out, when I first talked to them, their basic premise was subscription Lego kits. Now, if you’ve got kids, you immediately get this one, because your kids always want to buy the latest thing. They assemble the pirate ship and then they’re done, and then they need to buy the next pirate ship or whatever the thing is, right?

John Jantsch: Yep, yep.

Anne Janzer: Yeah. So you feel my pain. Really if you’ve stepped on them, they really have felt the pain of this problem, right? So this company started out basically saying, “Just subscribe to as many Lego kits as you want. We’ll ship them with spare parts, instructions. Send it back.” So there’s your basic model, and it was really pretty wonderful.

But then, they added value to it by creating a secondary site, which was called PleyWorld, where people could submit their own designs for Lego kits, and the user communicate would vote on them. So now they’ve added this communicate part, right? This is nothing they’ve added to it, but they’ve created this website. People submit their designs, they vote on them. When a design gets enough votes, then the company will turn and productize it, write up the instructions and add it to their kit.

So now they’ve added this value to the basic service, which is this community around it, and the chance for people to contribute and share something with other people and the members.So that’s a very creative thought. So what kind of community can you add to your service?

John Jantsch: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And of course, the brilliant thing about that is they’ve pre-sold a product before they made it.

Anne Janzer: Oh, yeah. Right. And they’re constantly refreshing their product line. They’re not now just dependent on Legos kits. They’ve got their own user commnuity of kits, which is really interesting.

John Jantsch: So I imagine when some people are first coming around to this idea and some marketer said, “We’ve got to do this” in an organization. I’m sure one of the first questions, particularly on some of this experience stuff, this is where you get pushed back. We all know in the end, it pays. But, in the beginning, I think when somebody’s trying to embrace it, it feels like it just costs. So how do you incrementally measure the value of value nurturing?

Anne Janzer: Well, there’s two issues. One is that the revenue model changes. It’s like investing for retirement, that with recurring revenues, the better job you do, you get this accruing benefit that’s going to build over time, so it takes a longer perspective, because investing for retirement is painful for me to give up that chunk of cash today for sometime down the road.

And the other problem, and small businesses don’t have this, large businesses do, which is that they have incentive structures around their own things. I can’t tell you how many marketers I’ve talked to that said, “This is great. I want to do it. But you know what? I’m incentivized on my lead generation, so I’m just going to keep focusing on generating as many leads as I can no matter whether they’re good or not, because that’s what’s paying me.”

So the first thing you have to do is align your incentive structures for what you want in the long term. And if you’re a small business, again, that long-term perspective. Here’s the incentive that I see for it. When you’re in business, most of us are businesses. Very few of us it’s a secret sauce, like nobody else can do the thing that we’re offering, right? We have competition, and it’s not that hard for other people to launch the same kind of general business that we do. But, they can replicate the thing that we’re selling. They can’t replicate the relationships that we have with people. So this is really building out your competitive differentiator.

John Jantsch: How do you … I’m starting to throw a whole bunch of stuff into one question here. What role does content play and social media play? Obviously marketers have seen a role that those play, but I think in the subscription thinking, they play a little different role, and even if it’s just being more intentional or strategic about it.

Anne Janzer: Yeah. So content, and social media, as well, but content is another place that you can continue to pour the perception of value into the solution after the customer has bought. If you think about the Dollar Shave Club, right, so that was a subscription razor blade company, and they just shipped razor blades, right, but they had hilarious videos when you signed up that were quite entertaining. So they had a certain attitude. And with the razor blades, every month came a little newsletter of bathroom reading that was hilarious. So this is content. It does not help you shave any better, right? I mean, it does not. But it added value to that relationship that the customer had. It added value to the experience of being a subscriber.

So content is an enormous lever for value for the customer’s experience of value. But you have to be … not content that’s just sell, sell, sell, but content that is fun or informative or entertaining or something that actually delivers value for that person.

John Jantsch: And I think that’s a part that not everybody can do. I mean, and I think that’s where a lot of businesses fall down is that they remain kind of that stodgy business objective meeting kind of company because they don’t go out and find that creative voice, and I think that that’s … If you were going to go out and hire somebody who can do incredible job with video or that can write that kind of funny content, because not everybody can.

Anne Janzer: Right. And you know what? Let’s say that your budget is just really slim. The first thing you just get in the head of your customer, just you have to get out of the trap about, “My God, I’ve got to write about our futures again,” right? Please, don’t do it. Just get in the head of your customer. What can you write that’s going to provide value to them, even if you can’t see a direct link to pitching your feature? What can you do to help the customer? So empathy, empathy, empathy, is the trick.

John Jantsch: And I think also, I’ve been doing this for a long time, and I was preaching that we want to see your personal side, 20 years ago, and boy business owners just recoiled at that idea, ’cause it’s like oh, God, nobody wants to hear about me or my struggles or my anything. They want to hear about our thing that we sell. And it’s kind of refreshing that that whole idea of your story is really baked in to most marketing experiences today, but I think people are still hungry for it.

Anne Janzer: Yes. And the other place that’s interesting, John, where you can really do something that has to do with your story is when you can align your marketing with your customers’ values. And this is sort of my favorite part of value nurturing, right, is through your actions, demonstrating that you share some of the same values that your customer has, whether that’s supporting people in crisis disaster situations or whatever it may be, just showing up and doing the right thing, as a consumer, I feel really good about subscribing or being a customer of the business that I feel does the right things.

John Jantsch: Yeah. And I guess I would go along with that and say you have to be willing to stand up for your right things. You have to be willing to offend some people, too. Not intentionally, but just to take a stand rather than to say, “We’ll take anybody.” And I think the companies that you see in communities that are very loyal, and not only is there value there, but there is a point of view that says, “This is what we believe in, and if you don’t believe that, that’s fine, but this isn’t the place for you.”

Anne Janzer: Yes. Yeah, you have to be willing to just say, “If you want to take this stance, this is where your most loyal customers are going to come from, the ones who are going to refer you or the ones who feel this alignment with you.”

John Jantsch: There’s a lot of value in polarization, like it or not.

Anne Janzer: You’re not taking a stand against something; you’re taking a stand for something. Let’s be clear here.

John Jantsch: Yeah, that is what I’m saying. But at some times, maybe the edgier the stand, the more loyal the people are going to be, and so that’s something worth experimenting with. It’s not for every.

Anne Janzer: True.

John Jantsch: But you’ve seen countless examples of people using that to the edge, I think, and having just a rabid commnuity because of it.

Anne Janzer: Right, right.

John Jantsch: So Anne, where can people find out more about you and your work, and obviously, Subscription Marketing?

Anne Janzer: Sure. So best place is just probably to hop on over to my website, which is my name, A-N-N-E, don’t forget the silent E, Janzer, J-A-N-Z-E-R. And there you can find out about what I’m blogging about and writing about. I’ve got a free course for those content marketers on the call, a free course on managing the approval and reviews process. So go check out what’s there.

And the book subscription marketing is on Amazon and all of the usual ebook and audio book and places that you can find books, and you’ll find it there.

John Jantsch: And we’ll have links in the show note, of course, as we always do.

So Anne, thanks for joining me, and hopefully we’ll run into you down the road.

Anne Janzer: Great. Thanks. I enjoyed it.



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How to Tap Into the Subscription Economy

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Marketing Podcast with Anne Janzer
Podcast Transcript

Anne Janzer

My guest for this week’s episode of the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast is Anne Janzer. She is an award-winning author and non-fiction writing coach who has written books like The Writers Process and The Workplace Writer’s Process. She and I discuss her book, Subscription Marketing: Strategies for Nurturing Customers in a World of Churn.

As a professional writer, Janzer has worked with more than one hundred technology companies, writing in the voice of countless brands and corporate executives. She enjoys working with writers to improve their processes and communication skills, so they can share their thoughts and ideas with the world. She also works with select nonfiction authors as a developmental editor.

Questions I ask Anne Janzer:

  • What does the subscription economy mean for marketers?
  • What are some unique examples of subscription marketing?
  • How do you incrementally measure the value of value nurturing?

What you’ll learn if you give a listen:

  • Where the customer journey plays into subscription marketing
  • What rolls content and social media play in the subscription world
  • How subscription marketing impacts the delivery of value

Key takeaways from the episode and more about Anne Janzer:

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