Tuesday, 28 November 2023

The 7 Deadly Marketing Mistakes

The 7 Deadly Marketing Mistakes written by John Jantsch read more at Duct Tape Marketing

Marketing Podcast with John Jantsch

In this episode of the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast, I’m doing a solo show, and I’m gonna talk about 7 marketing mistakes that business owners usually make and I give you some tips on how to avoid them.

Key Takeaway:

Businesses often make seven deadly marketing mistakes: lacking a clear vision, trying to please everyone, being just like their competition, wasting marketing resources, competing solely on price, succumbing to the idea of the week, and lacking measurable success criteria. Overcoming these mistakes requires a focused marketing strategy aligned with business objectives for creating a roadmap for growth.

Topics I Cover:

  • [01:25] Introduction to the 7 deadly marketing mistakes.
  • [02:32] Number 1: No vision of where your business is headed.
  • [03:47] Number 2: Trying to be all things to all people.
  • [05:54] Number 3: Being just like the competition.
  • [08:49] Number 4: Wasting precious marketing resources.
  • [09:37] Number 5: Competing on price.
  • [11:11] Number 6: Getting overwhelmed with the idea of the week.
  • [13:16] Number 7: Having no way to measure your success.

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Monday, 27 November 2023

Weekend Favs November 25

Weekend Favs November 25 written by John Jantsch read more at Duct Tape Marketing

My weekend blog post routine includes posting links to a handful of tools or great content I ran across during the week.

I don’t go into depth about the finds, but I encourage you to check them out if they sound interesting. The photo in the post is a favorite for the week from an online source or one I took on the road.

  • Kapwing – Streamline your video editing efforts with AI-powered Kapwing. You can perform basic editing tasks like removing silence or background noise in just one click.
  • Afforai – Your AI-powered research assistant is here – Afforai can compare information, summarize results, and gather info from multiple sources.
  • MagicForm – Refine your top-of-funnel resources with MagicForm, an automated chatbot that qualifies and converts leads for you.

These are my weekend favs; I would love to hear about some of yours – Tweet me @ducttape

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Elevate B2B Marketing News Weekly Roundup: B2B Performance Branding, Rising MarTech Spend, & Meta’s New AI Tools

The Vast Majority of CMOs Expect Their MarTech Spend to Grow
2023 marketing technology spending represented some 30 percent of overall marketing budgets, a figure that was up from the 24 percent seen in 2022, having overtaken staffing and labor costs which represented 28 percent of marketing budgets, down from 35 percent during 2022, according to newly-published survey data. MarketingCharts

Influencer Pay Equity Guide
The Association of National Advertisers (ANA), PR Council, and 4As have published a new guide to influencer marketing which has focused on achieving greater pay equity, with report data showing a pay gap of some 29 percent for black, indigenous, and other people of color (BIPOC) influencers. ANA


“B2B brands are all drowning in a sea of sameness. Every brand is blue, every brand is saying the same things in the same way. It's a massive problem, and a massive opportunity.” — Peter Weinberg of @B2BInstitute
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Study examines combining first-party and third-party data to reach wider audiences, reduce costs
Brand favorability outcomes improved by using joint first and third-party data in efforts, with the strong points of each type of data combining to improve intent and brand favorability ratings, according to recently-released report data of interest to B2B marketers. DigiDay

Apple announces RCS support for iMessage
Apple has announced forthcoming support for the mobile rich communication services (RCS) texting protocol, which will allow greater messaging interoperability between users of the world’s two primary types of cellphones, potentially leading to new marketing opportunities for B2B marketers, Apple recently reported. Ars Technica

Mindshare, Snapchat Study ‘Need States’ Of Social Media Users
16 percent of global consumers have said that they use social media for learning, 15 percent to build a better future, and 13 percent for fostering connections, while a leading 22 percent pointed to exploring and finding new experiences — four of numerous findings contained in newly-published survey data. MediaPost

Follower Count Fully Live In Google Search Result Snippets
Search giant Google has rolled out new social media site follower count displays for searchers seeking information about people, a change that could better help B2B marketers find subject matter experts who have sizable social media followings, Google recently announced. SEO Roundtable

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Meta teases new AI-powered editing tools coming to Facebook and Instagram
Facebook and Instagram parent firm Meta’s forthcoming AI video clip generation tools — known as Emu Video and Emu Edit — are slated to bring new AI video clip creation and editing opportunities to marketers using the Instagram and Facebook social platforms, Meta announced recently. The Verge

Social media could be the key to connecting with baby boomers
Since the first quarter of 2021 the number of U.S. consumers in the baby boomer demographic who say their primary use of social media is to follow influencers has increased by 22 percent, while a scant 10 percent in this demographic see themselves represented in advertising — two of numerous statistics of interest to digital marketers contained in newly-published report data. Insider Intelligence

LinkedIn Shares New Insights Into Engagement With Collaborative Articles
Microsoft-owned LinkedIn (client) users read some 74 percent more content in the platform’s AI-infused Collaborative Article format over the past month, as greater numbers of the professional social platform’s users — which recently topped the 1 billion mark — have interacted with content in the Collaborative Article format, LinkedIn recently announced. Social Media Today

Why performance branding is at the frontier of B2B marketing [Report]
When it comes to how B2B marketers have struck a balance between brand-building and lead generation, B2B marketing leaders have said that 36 percent of their investment in marketing budgets will go towards lead generation, with 30 percent for brand-building and awareness and some 20 percent to demand generation, and The Drum recently took a look at new report data from LinkedIn. The Drum

ON THE LIGHTER SIDE:

2023 November 24 Marketoonist Comic Image

A lighthearted look at “Intent Signals” by Marketoonist Tom Fishburne — Marketoonist

Ethernet is Still Going Strong After 50 Years — IEEE Spectrum

TOPRANK MARKETING & CLIENTS IN THE NEWS:

  • Lee Odden / NetLine / TopRank Marketing — 3 Key Takeaways From Content Marketing World 2023 — Convince and Convert
  • Lane R. Ellis / TopRank Marketing — This Week in Marketing: Human-Centered Strategy for 2024 — LinkedIn (client)
  • Lee Odden — Numbers and Niches: 10 Ways Data Can Help Optimize Consumer Outreach — iTechPost

FRIDAY FIVE B2B MARKETING FAVORITES TO FOLLOW:

Sharifah Niles-Lane @SharifahNL
Jessica Hreha @jessicahreha
Melissa Hodai @melissahodai
Brian Piper @brianwpiper
Andrew Davis @DrewDavisHere

Learn more about TopRank Marketing‘s mission to help elevate the B2B marketing industry.

Have you found your own top B2B marketing news item we haven’t yet covered? If so, please don’t hesitate to drop us a line in the comments below.

Thank you for taking the time to join us for this week’s Elevate B2B Marketing News, and we hope that you will return again next Friday for another array of the most up-to-date and relevant B2B and digital marketing industry news. In the meantime, you can follow us on our LinkedIn page, or at @TopRank on Twitter/X for even more timely daily news.

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Friday, 24 November 2023

Gratitude in Growth: Celebrating a Year of Transformation at TopRank Marketing

A Thanksgiving Ode to B2B Marketing

In this season of thanks, we pause and reflect,
On journeys in marketing, with due respect.
From boardrooms to webinars, strategies unfurl,
In the bustling world of B2B’s swirl.

With gratitude, we think of clients so dear,
Whose visions and goals, we’ve helped steer.
Together we’ve charted digital seas,
Elevating brands with graceful ease.

In campaigns and content, our stories entwine,
Crafting narratives that truly shine.
Metrics and KPIs, in harmony blend,
Celebrating successes, from start to end.

So here’s to the journey, the ups and the downs,
To all the hard work that rarely frowns.
Thank you, dear clients, for trust and more,
In this marketing voyage, we truly adore.

As Thanksgiving beckons with its festive flare,
We’re thankful for partners, beyond compare.
In the spirit of giving, let’s raise a toast,
To B2B marketing, what we love most!

All rhyming aside, TopRank Marketing has a long history of sharing an attitude of gratitude this time of year. Here are a few words from our team members on what they are most thankful for:


“There is nothing more magical than having a deep friendship in your 40s with the same people you built blanket forts with when you were eight. I am so deeply thankful for my big brother and big sister! From trying to send messages to the Alien Dogs on Sirius to reaching out to one another from across the world, we’ve always challenged each other’s imaginations for what’s possible and centered one another in times of need. Love you, and thank you!”
Theresa Dorsey Meis, Content Strategist

“2023 has been chock full with new wonders and delights plus a few challenges to keep things interesting, all merging to form another year I’m very thankful for.

Most of all I’m grateful for my tremendous and supportive family, friends, and associates.

Celebrating 22 years of marriage with my amazing wife Julie Ahasay tops my thankfulness list, along with the continuing joy of having my parents Konnie and Bob in my life, as well as my astounding and always-inspiring 106-year-old grandma Lilly Haldorsen, who still lives in her own house and gets out often.

I’m grateful for nearly 40 years of communicating online, and thankful to still be able to run and mountain bike the beautiful trails of Duluth. I’m also thankful for our loving cats Kukla , Twister, and Arlo.

This time of year is ideal for reflecting and reaching out to give the world and its endless opportunities a cozy embrace of thankfulness, and I send a hearty virtual hug to all of you I’m fortunate enough to know, lovely family and friends. Thank you.”
Lane R. Ellis, Social Media & Content Marketing Manager

“I am thankful for my husband and daughter, our home, and the friendships we’ve built together. Working at TopRank has allowed me to prioritize my work/life balance, and the awesome team is the icing on the cake!”
Casey Borrero, Influencer Marketing Strategist

“It’s been a tough year for my family in several ways, so I’m very grateful to say we’re all still in one piece and healthy. These challenges have made me more grateful for TopRank than ever, since having a job and co-workers I can count on and feel good about has been a huge boon when I needed it most. Thank you all for creating such a positive and inspiring work environment!”
Harry Mackin, Content Strategist

“As I reflect this Thanksgiving with a heart full of gratitude, acknowledging the blessings that have shaped the year. At the core of my thankfulness is the unwavering support of family, especially my husband, whose love and encouragement have been a constant source of strength. I want to express deep appreciation for my fulfilling employment at TopRank Marketing and the valuable learning experiences that have enriched my career. I want to acknowledge the collaborative spirit of my coworkers, who continue to amaze and inspire me. I find solace in the companionship of my pets, Bandit, Henri and Kayla, whose unconditional love brings joy and warmth to my everyday existence. Lastly, I want to extend my gratitude to the vibrant community that surrounds me, recognizing the collective strength and resilience that emerges when individuals come together to support and uplift one another.”
Debbie Friez, Associate Director, Social Media & Influencer Marketing

“As I reflect on this past year, I’m personally grateful for taking a leap and moving to my new beach town – Lantana, Florida. I’ve had so much fun living on Florida’s east coast, meeting new people, and feeling blessed to enjoy all of my favorite ocean activities. Professionally, I’ve had the best time working at TopRank since starting in January of this year. I’m grateful to be working with the kindest (shout-out to Midwesterners) and smartest team, the ability to work remotely, and I’m genuinely excited for what’s to come in 2024.”
— Jenny Steffens, Senior Account Manager

“This Thanksgiving, I’m brimming with gratitude for the vibrant new chapter at TopRank Marketing. With our refreshed brand, updated website, and an energized blog, we’re setting new standards in marketing. Our latest influencer report’s success and collaborating with our inspiring new CEO, Donna Robinson, mark the beginning of an exhilarating journey.

At home, watching my daughters’ curiosity and growth is a joyful reminder of life’s simple wonders (and a reminder that I still have a lot to learn about the world!). Here’s to a season of growth, giggles, and the occasional ‘sanity check’ – Happy Thanksgiving to all!”
Katelyn Drake, Director of Agency Marketing

Joshua Nite

“I’m so thankful for my children — 14-yo is growing up to be a kind, considerate and funny young man. My 8-yo daughter is a ray of sunshine and love to everyone she meets!

On the work side, I’m grateful for a team that is always up to bounce ideas off each other and help each other do our best work.”
Joshua Nite, Senior Content Marketing Manager

Claire Luinstra

“I am thankful that I was able to welcome a healthy, beautiful daughter this year and that I have been so supported in being a mom AND bad-a** marketer by TopRank. I feel truly blessed to have the opportunity to work for this agency and be able to show my daughter what a strong work ethic and purpose can bring into your life.”
Claire Luinstra, Director, Client Accounts

Erin McClure

“This year, I am painfully aware of how privileged I am to live somewhere safe with my little family, all of whom are in good health. I have been reminded this year not to take those things for granted, and that these days are a gift. I’m learning to stay present, slow down, and sometimes pause so I can fully soak up intentional time each day with my husband and young children.”
Erin McClure, Senior Account Manager

TopRank Marketing Gives Thanks for You in 2023

As this year unfolds with its unique challenges and triumphs, all of us at TopRank Marketing find ourselves more grateful than ever for you. Your unwavering support, incredible partnerships, and enthusiastic engagement have been pivotal in our journey of refreshing our brand, enhancing our services, and achieving remarkable milestones in B2B marketing.

This Thanksgiving, we’re particularly thankful for the opportunity to collaborate, grow, and celebrate successes, both big and small, alongside you. Your trust and partnership inspire us every day to reach new heights and continue innovating in the ever-evolving world of marketing.

Happy Thanksgiving from our team to yours! May this season be filled with joy, reflection, and the warmth of shared successes.

Sincerely,

The TopRank Marketing Team

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Thursday, 23 November 2023

Mastering Workshops: The Two-Hour Blueprint for Maximum Impact

Mastering Workshops: The Two-Hour Blueprint for Maximum Impact written by John Jantsch read more at Duct Tape Marketing

The Duct Tape Marketing Podcast with John Janstch

 

In this episode of the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast, I interviewed Leanne Hughes, a renowned consultant, speaker, and facilitator who specializes in maximizing team potential through influential and contagious work experiences.

Leanne Hughes is an Australian businesswoman, entrepreneur, high-performance business consultant, speaker and facilitator, maximizing team potential by creating influential, contagious work experiences that scale across teams, functions and regions. She combines her experience in Marketing, with her education (and obsession) with Group Dynamics and Psychology, to help leaders create engaging everyday experiences – that are so contagious they scale across teams, functions and regions.

 

Clients work with Leanne for her energy and unique approaches that provide cut-through strategies for embarking on a change initiative, or to shift performance or culture to achieve next-level success. Whether launching a change initiative, enabling shifts in performance, or building a culture to achieve next-level success, Leanne’s workshops impact both business and lives.

Leanne shared insights from her expertise, focusing on her book, the “Two-Hour Workshop Blueprint.” Discover how business-owners can design workshops that are fast, deliver strong results, and eliminate stress from the process.

Key Takeaways:

Leanne Hughes shares invaluable insights into the art of workshop facilitation, focusing on the strategic significance of the two-hour timeframe. The discussion delves into the transformative shift from traditional presentations to horizontal, engaging workshops, emphasizing the evolution of skillsets required for effective facilitation. Leanne guides listeners in identifying workshop opportunities by recognizing the telltale “how” questions in various contexts. Additionally, she provides practical tips for building rapport and connection with participants, highlighting the importance of pre-event communication and a thoughtful, engaging kickoff. Leanne’s expertise shines through, offering a comprehensive guide for mastering workshops and delivering impactful, results-driven sessions that resonate with diverse audiences.

Questions I ask Leanne Hughes:

[00:49] Why did you choose a two-hour timeframe for your blueprint?

[01:27] What’s the difference between a workshop and a conference?

[02:19] Do workshops require a different skillset?

[04:40] How can businesses view workshops as products or lead generation tactics ?

[06:20] What structure do you recommend for workshops to follow?

[07:29] What are the best and most time-efficient workshop strategies?

[10:22] How do you guarantee immense value for workshop attendees?

[11:41] How do you build rapport and get people to contribute during workshops?

[13:26] How does audience size effect a workshop?

[14:32] What is power up?

[16:08] Can you explain the value of metaphors in a workshop?

[16:47] What are the best employee engagement activities?

[20:06] Where can people connect with you and learn more ?

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John (00:08): Hello and welcome to another episode of the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast. This is John Jantsch. My guest today is Leanne Hughes. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator maximizing team potential by creating influential contagious work experiences that scale across teams, functions, and regions. We're going to talk about her book, the Two Hour Workshop Blueprint, how business owners can Design Workshops, fast, deliver strong and without stress. So welcome to the show,

Leanne (00:39): Amazing to be here, John. Absolutely love your work and really think about how to create word of mouth in workshops as well. So look forward to diving into that.

John (00:47): Awesome. So the first question I have to ask is why two hours? Is there something magical about that amount of time or did you have a publisher that said we have to be specific?

Leanne (00:57): I think it's definitely about specific, and I think the fact that it is two hours is very intriguing. And I think for most, there's facilitators and trainers and then there's normal people like you and I who are hey, tapped on the shoulder. People want to hear expertise, and I think with two hours, if you can do a two hour workshop, you can do a two day workshop, you can do a one hour workshop because it's enough time for you to open it, to run a few activities and to reflect out. So I thought it was a sweet spot.

John (01:22): Let's talk a little bit about the differences you started to mention there. I mean, I do presentations, I do webinars. How is a workshop different than your standard stand up and open up a conference

Leanne (01:32): And actually I think conferences are actually shifting now because of the pandemic and the amount of content available. I think now it's more about, I guess having a horizontal relationship with the people in your audience versus a vertical one. So vertical, you're the expert. You're talking at someone, it's like a broadcast, it's like a YouTube. You're going on a YouTube live. Whereas a workshop is all about that interaction and getting people to connect to the content in the context that they're in. And it's more of a conversation, and I actually think it's scarier doing workshops because it's unpredictable. You don't have that control. Whereas a keynote is, I move to the stage, I do this, I deliver that. And I think there's absolute forums for both of them and they work really nicely together. But workshops are really about how do we land this for someone and help them make progress where they're at.

John (02:19): Would you say it's a different skillset? I mean, not everybody who can stand up and inspire a crowd can also lead a workshop. I mean, would you say that, I'm sure that there are people that can do both quite well, but would you say it's a different skillset?

Leanne (02:32): Absolutely. Absolutely. It's a different skillset. And I think when I've got a podcast called First Time Facilitator, but I was leading that, I was a keynote speaker, you should have seen my agenda, John. It was 9 0 1 mentioned this story, 9 0 3. It was so specific and precise and it wasn't leaving any space for connection and anything else. And I think now as a more seasoned facilitator, I'm lazier, I'm less controlled, but it takes time on your feet and experience and going through some of the bad experiences to get comfortable with that.

John (03:03): And I know myself for doing this for years. You talked about a workshop can be scarier. I find that it's sometimes scary when you just get a crowd that maybe didn't want to be there. They're there for the wrong reasons, they're not very particip, but when you get one that's really into it, I think they're a lot more fun.

Leanne (03:21): Absolutely. And I think there's something I talk about in the book as the Spark framework, and it's all about the setup as well, and it's very different if you're working with an organization. I was talking to a friend about this yesterday. A client will hire you, but the people in that room haven't necessarily volunteered. They've been voluntold to go there, and so you're up against it. Whereas John, you work with business owners that would just screened to be at one of your workshops. So it's on fire the moment you're in the room.

John (03:46): Yeah, I'm envisioning accountants getting CEU credits, scary room. They don't want to be there and they don't really want to hear about marketing anyway. Yeah, but

Leanne (03:56): It's interesting.

John (03:56): Sorry to all my accountant listeners for that one.

Leanne (03:59): Well, let's not stop with accountants. Let's talk about lawyers as well. Honestly, it's really bizarre, but everyone's like, what's the best workshop you've ever been to? And it was run by, it was the code of conduct workshop at my old when I was working internally. It was like, we go in, we're thinking, this is going to be terrible. We're going to talk with us for three hours. It was the best experience ever talking through case studies, hypotheticals. And I guess John for me was after that experience, I was like, if you could make code of conduct interesting, you can make anything interesting. So that was cool.

John (04:29): Let's talk about who needs to do a workshop. I'm sure that there are people out there thinking, well, I'm a trainer or I'm a coach, and so workshops have to be part of my suite. But there's probably a whole lot of businesses that never really thought about a workshop as a product or maybe even as a lead generation tactic. Talk a little bit about how can we be more expansive in thinking who should do workshops?

Leanne (04:53): Yeah, I think it's really, I mean, I always sort of rely on my content strategy to drive what I end up doing for workshops. So I might put out a LinkedIn post around something and people, I wonder how they're asking questions. How do you do that? I think the second you have a how question is like, Hey, maybe this could be a workshop. And often as we take for granted the knowledge in our own mind and think everyone else knows this, but the second you've been sought out to, how do you do this faster? What systems are you using? There's an opportunity, I think, to really dive in for the workshop experience. So a keynote, I think a speech is more about building awareness around a topic. I think a workshop is, I'm aware I want it. How do I do this?

John (05:32): Well, to that point, I mean, I think a lot of marketers think workshop and they think, oh, this is a way to top of funnel, maybe create some awareness. Maybe it's a low ticket thing that's going to lead to my high ticket thing. But where I see them terribly underutilized is we should be doing workshops for our clients. I mean, teaching them how to get more, how to do something more because we've already got that relationship and now we just really cement it. We

Leanne (05:57): Absolutely. Yeah, and I think because my business is, my main product is workshops, and it's an interesting ecosystem once you have a workshop in that, because then you can expand to advisory retainer work, come in for a speech one-on-one coaching the utility of a workshop as the centerpiece is super valuable.

John (06:20): So you have structured the book as acts of a play. So talk a little bit, I mean, do you see that as kind of the structure of a workshop too, as acts of a play?

Leanne (06:30): Sometimes they can be non-linear, and I'm designing a workshop tomorrow where I don't know where it's going to go. We're working through a process, so I've basically a series of post-IT cards and activities ready to go when we need to, which is very different to what I

John (06:41): Was Choose your own ending kind of thing.

Leanne (06:44): And yeah, choose your own adventure. I love that. But I think the reason I read the book is for people that I haven't done workshops before and kind of need a structure and a format because I dunno how long it takes you, John, but when I was first starting out to design a two hour workshop would take me weeks. It was ridiculous. I was on Google searching for the perfect activity, and then after creating so many over the years, I'm like, actually, this is, what am I actually doing here? And let's play it back to make it faster. No one has that bandwidth to spend that much time. And I think there's a false assumption, the more time you spend on it, the better it will be. It's totally false.

John (07:21): Yeah. More time you spend delivering it, the better it'll be probably right where you really learn, right?

Leanne (07:28): A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah.

John (07:29): We could talk about the various components of it, but I know one of the things early on, you talked about it used to take you a lot of time. I usually pack too much in them is what I did because I was like, oh, we've got two hours. How can I fill 120 minutes and I'll put more stuff in it? And what it ended up doing was making it less effective. So let's talk. Maybe that's a good lead into the setup.

Leanne (07:51): Yeah, I think everyone in the world uses the GPS analogy, but what I like the most about the GPS analogy is that, and I didn't know that this is how it worked, but you set your destination first. What the GPS does is actually cuts out the map. It doesn't give you the whole map, it cuts it out. That's the effectiveness of it. And I think especially with two hours and with any type of expert in a certain context, it's not about the information. I mean, we can Google things as YouTube for everything. It's more about for these people at this moment in time, what are the most useful thing and how can I cut out 90% of the stuff that actually doesn't matter? Because I think often we equate more content to more value, but we end up overwhelming them. They don't get a result. And as a result, they may not then book us back. But it's hard. I think it's kind of related to self-worth as well. My worth is in the content.

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Leanne (10:32): Yeah, the right amount. That's a really interesting question. But I think going back to the rule, there's that rule in comedy like the rule of threes where you sort of set up one, two, and three. I mean, the number three is everywhere. And I think it's a good number, particularly for a two hour workshop is I just think if someone's leaving this workshop, what do I want to tell a friend and how I make that stick? And usually it's like, okay, it's three things or it's wrapped up in one framework, like a Venn diagram or something like that. Three key themes. They can say, Hey, I went to this workshop, here are the three key things we talked about. And that's it. Because I think the second you've and I talk about frameworks in the book, it's kind of like an advanced thing, but it's really about just gift wrapping information. You want to make it easy to remember, easy to recall, easy to share with other people. And I think so just meeting them, but also John, I think having conversations and some of the time where workshops for me didn't land is where I wasn't connecting with people beforehand. And I've made assumptions around where they're at in their business

John (11:32): Just because I'm going to piggyback off of that. I was going to ask that a little later on, but how do you build, you walk into a room sometimes it's the first time you've seen anybody the way it worked. How do you build rapport, get them engaged right away without maybe feeling cheesy?

Leanne (11:48): Yeah, that's fun. Well, I think I was originally very cheesy and I was kind of going over the top and being a bit ridiculous

John (11:54): Or cheeky I should say, to be with your audience. That's a more Australian term, right?

Leanne (12:00): Yeah, it's very Australian. We can't beat that out of ourselves. I think we're just a cheeky country, but set up phase, I think we often, we think, and this is a Pri Parker thing, and her book, the Art of Gathering, she says, the event doesn't start when it starts beforehand. And I think even the language you used around what are you going to call the event can really set an expectation. Often I will send, it's not the first time I've communicated with the group, so I'll ask either directly, I'll send a video out to the people that have participating, just setting expectations, raising their level of certainty in terms of what to expect, the type of experience or the client will forward that on. And what I love about doing sometimes a pre-survey, it's kind of like a mini listening tour. You're hearing the language, and then what I like to do is something called the playback approach.

(12:46): So they're in there, this is particularly useful if they're kind hostages in the workshop, what are we doing here? You go, Hey, here's what you said. And you just play back their language and they can't disagree with that. So automatically you are lowering the objections in the room and getting people to feel a bit more comfortable. But also John, I'm chronically early. I'll be there an hour before, an hour and a half, so that when people walk in 20 minutes beforehand, I'm not fluffing around and fiddling around with slides. I'm like, I'm there. I'm connecting. Just not so busy.

John (13:18): I'm the same way, only because every room, the technology is different and I always want to make sure that stuff is going to work. So talk about a little bit about size of audience, if that dictates what you can and can't do. I know I speak to groups of 10 and I can hold their hands, whereas I speak to group of a hundred and it's a whole different dynamic, isn't it?

Leanne (13:39): Yeah. I've actually recently run a webinar on that actual, how do you host a large group? It is very different in terms of dynamics and also the level of instruction. So with smaller groups, I feel kind of weird having a group of four people and bringing in a PowerPoint and making it a bit of a performance. I'd feel extremely weird. I want to say even in the dynamics, you could just remove all the tables and sit around just with chairs and have flip charts and keep it conversational. Once you're on over a hundred, 130 people, what I like to do is create, have roles at tables, so create mini facilitators and give roles out timekeepers. So you're allocating responsibility, but you have to be much more precise with your instructions with bigger groups, much more deliberate with your use of language, which is tough. I like just riffing and at the smaller group level, but you'll be very precise the bigger it gets.

John (14:30): Do you get into, so you have a section in the book you call Power Up. So I guess I'll just let you explain that aspect. We talked a little bit about setup. So what is Power Up?

Leanne (14:40): Yeah, I think there's two elements to power up. So one is the personal power up. I think the most important thing is how are you feeling? What's your energy as you enter that room? Because particularly on virtual Mark, Foden body language expert, he said, we can't read virtual body language. The best predictor of how anyone else will show up is how we lead our own energy. So we've got to be a beacon for that. But power up is also those first five or 10 minutes because that's where you set the tone of engagement. And often where workshops can fail is it starts very predictably. And I sort of joke, let's create an unpredictable experience that will predictably work. It's welcome, housekeeping, it's just here's the content. Whereas I like to think, okay, how can we do the opposite of that? So do I start at the back of the room? Do we just start with an activity, just setting the tone that you want throughout the two hours that you're there?

John (15:29): Yeah. The one I always hate, and there's still lots of people tell you to do this, so please feel free to tell me I'm wrong, but the one where they put the whole agenda out there and then they've spent 20 minutes going, here's what we're going to do today. To me that's like death, but maybe I'm wrong.

Leanne (15:43): It's death. I mean, that could have been an email beforehand and it's like, just get into it. I talk about the seven habits of Highly Effective Workshop hosts, and again, I'm working on this. One is it's brevity. It's like often I've been in, I don't know, John, you've been in sessions where you hear things explain and we get it. It's like, let's move, let's move on. Yeah, agenda is one of them.

John (16:05): And maybe you're going to say it depends, but how about the use of metaphor in workshops to really drive home lessons? Do you think that's something we ought to all strive to bring into our style?

Leanne (16:18): I think not only in workshops, I think in life, honestly, in our conversations with clients, the second I'm trying to explain a concept, if I can bring in a metaphor and people are like, they get it immediately. You're in, you can see. Yeah, I mean metaphor is really powerful. It's something I've been working with Alan Weiss, million Dollar consultant, and he just basically talks in metaphors the whole time and like, oh, I'd love to get to that stage. But even as I was writing the book, it's like, what is the metaphor for the deep dive approach? Just really trying to connect in,

John (16:47): Talk about activities. Obviously workshop implies we're going to work, so talk about how important they are, maybe how to do them well, I mean, just anything you want to talk about, give us advice on activities and how to make them great.

Leanne (17:02): Yeah, you're right. Something I write at there is that it's a workshop, not a do this later shop, and that was my biggest pet peeves, like, oh, we've got this content, but you're have to go back into and play calendar Tetris and no one ever does it afterwards. So you've got that time and space, let's do the work. And probably the biggest comment I've had about that is, oh, Leanne, it's not content, it's activities. It's like, yes, let's actually get implementing and things like that. And I think when it comes to activities, and what was taking me so long with designing workshops was I was trying to think of what's a cool activity I can use for this scenario? And it's like, actually just use the scenario that people are working with. If they need to free up time, let's get them with their laptops. Let's open up their calendar. Let's see, and see how priorities are coming to life through the calendar in the session itself. Again, I like to weave in a bit of contrast. So with activities, it's think about, like you said before, group size, an individual reflection, maybe it's a conversation, then it's doing the thing, seeing how that worked out, reflecting on it as part of that, the chunk of your workshop is about 75 minutes is dedicated to that

John (18:08): To people actually working right,

Leanne (18:11): To implementing, to doing the thing. Yeah, exactly.

John (18:14): So what's your next workshop?

Leanne (18:18): Alright, a two day workshop. Yeah, and it isn't a training.

John (18:22): We're not going to be able to publicize that one because by the time people are listening to this, it will have occurred. So I guess maybe we'll just go right into invite people to where they might connect with you and obviously find the book, but also you offer a lot more than just the book with your trainings and workshops. So I'll let you just invite people to connect.

Leanne (18:41): Wonderful. Yeah, thanks John. Yeah, so you can see all my portfolio work@leannehughes.com. I'm very active on LinkedIn. I've got a podcast called First time Facilitator, back catalog of over 200 episodes talking about facilitation work. And of course, yeah, the book, grab it. There's lots of templates and downloadables as part of that. And email me, let me know what workshop you're running and how you're going and how you've used it. There's no bigger delight than hearing the impact of that book.

John (19:06): Awesome. Well, I appreciate you stopping by the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast, and hopefully we'll run into you on these days out there on the road.



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The 7 Features of Highly Effective B2B Influencer Marketing Programs

B2B influencer marketing is having a moment.

Our 2023 B2B Influencer Marketing Report found that 85% of B2B marketers have influencers in the mix. That’s up from 34% in 2020 and 46% in 2022. 

And not only are more marketers trying out B2B influence, more than ever are seeing success. Our respondents rated influencer marketing the 2nd most successful tactic in their programs, second only to social media marketing.

But for all the success marketers are seeing, only about a third rated their program as “extremely effective.”

I don’t know about you, but if I hear that some folks are getting “extremely effective,” I’m not going to settle for “somewhat effective.” The relentlessly optimizing marketer within all of us will not rest at “doing okay.”

Fortunately for all of us, TopRank Marketing asked all 400 of our survey participants how they run their influencer programs.

And we separated out the top performers from the rest of the pack.

What are the “extremely effective” folks doing differently? Here are seven stats that stood out to me.

Seven Features of Highly Effective B2B Marketing Programs

You’ll see as we go through the data that some less-effective programs are also using some of these techniques. But the extremely effective folks are far more likely to be doing them — the correlation of these features with success is high.

#1: Use professional influencers

Most effective: 54%

All others: 39%

What it means: B2B influence comes in a lot of different shapes, sizes and specialties. Some marketers stick with people who have direct experience in their industry: CEOs, industry consultants, respected practitioners and the like. While these types of experts add plenty of credibility to a program, they may have a smaller reach than others.

The most successful programs are more likely to approach professional influencers. These are experts who actively cultivate and engage with a large audience. They’re keynote speakers, pundits, best-selling authors. They’re in the business of self-promotion.

Why it works: While professional influencers may not have as much technical knowledge as a practitioner or consultant, they are generally well-versed in the topics they specialize in. These folks know how to create compelling content and make sure their audience engages with it. 

Professional influencers add reach and spice to your content — it’s well worth having them in the mix.

 

#2: Compensate influencers

Most effective: 53%

All others: 43%

What it means: In the pre-pandemic world, it was possible to entice influencers to collaborate without payment (or other compensation, like free products). The recognition and the potential to reach new audiences were enough for most influencers.

During the pandemic, those who rounded out their salary by speaking at events found themselves turning to online influence. Now B2B influence has become a profession for some and a relied-upon second source of income for others.

Why it works: It’s still important to cultivate relationships with influencers. A purely transactional relationship will result in uninspired content and inauthentic vibes for your audience. That said, compensating influencers is essential to work with the most qualified folks who have the largest relevant reach.

Another advantage of formal compensation: You can draw up a contract that includes deliverables, performance expectations and measurement. This type of formal arrangement actually helps build relationships, because it ensures everyone’s on the same page and will get their needs met.

 

#3: Use technology to identify, engage and manage

Most effective: 60% 

All others: 52%

What it means: It’s possible to search for influencers without dedicated tools. You can search LinkedIn, hit up Google, or browse industry forums. But ‘possible’ and ‘most effective’ aren’t the same thing. Tools that are designed for influencer identification, engagement and management make the whole process far more simple and efficient.

Why it works: B2B influence is about more than sheer audience size. It’s about building a mix that balances knowledge, experience, relevance and reach. Sure, Influencer X might have 1.5 million followers, but when he posts about #ICP does he mean Ideal Customer Profile or Insane Clown Posse?

Influencer tools help to find the most meaningful influencers for your campaign without dozens of hours of searching.

#4: Use AI for performance tracking, identification and selection

Most effective: 60%

All others: 33%

What it means: Since there’s so much buzz around generative AI, we made sure to ask AI-specific questions for this report. AI can help increase efficiency and effectiveness throughout an influencer program. It makes sense that marketers who make the best use of new technology are more likely to be effective.

Why it works: In the identification stage, AI can help evaluate influencers’ social media accounts for relevance, analyzing posts for sentiment and topic. In the nurture stage, AI can help draft emails and social messages. For measurement, it can help analyze large data sets to find trends and attribute results.

Simply put, AI is a valuable tool for all of marketing, influencer marketing included. We expect to see the number of marketers using it to increase dramatically for next year’s report.

 

#5: Measures and tracks performance

Most effective: 55%

All others: 48%

What it means: We probably don’t have to dwell on what it means to measure and track performance, right? As with any other marketing tactic, influencer marketing programs should be designed with measurement in mind and optimized based on results. 

Why it works: This may be the biggest single opportunity for marketers to improve. Measurement is the first step to optimization. It’s the way for marketers to prove their value and secure bigger budgets. It’s the way to win over the executive suite for a more expansive influencer program that the execs themselves participate in!

It’s also easier than ever to measure influencer campaigns. Likes, shares, engagements and reach are easy. But you don’t have to stop at top of funnel measurement. If each influencer has a trackable URL for their posts, you can see who is driving the most traffic to your asset. If each influencer has a trackable landing page URL, you can measure conversions. 

Measure everything you can. And make a measurement plan before you reach out to a single influencer.

#6: Create an always-on program

Most effective: 51%

All others: 14%

What it means: Most marketers start an influencer marketing program as a series of one-off engagements. You research influencers, cultivate relationships, co-create content, publish the content… and then start all over again from scratch.

An always-on program continues nurturing, relationship-building and collaboration between big campaigns. It can also mean putting your influencers in touch with each other to create a community — a group of enthusiastic experts who can work with and advocate for the brand.

Why it works: First, running an always-on program is more efficient. While it does take some time and effort to keep the program running, it’s much less of an investment than restarting from scratch every time. 

In addition to reducing overhead, an always-on program delivers more value to your audience and gives more opportunities to add value for your influencers, too. The results tend to be more content, more engaged influencers, and happier people all around.

#7: Outsource most or the entirety of your program

Most effective: 83%

All others: 54%

What it means: Rather than become experts in influencer marketing — the tools, the tactics, the best practices, the contracts and negotiations — marketers are choosing to go with trusted experts.

I know what you’re thinking. “Wow, a B2B influencer marketing agency found that more successful programs outsource to an agency! What a twist!” And I’ll admit, this response was good news for us. But it’s also true that outsourcing is the element that the most extremely effective programs have in common. 

Why it works: Simply put, influencer marketing is getting more complicated as it gets more sophisticated. It takes an investment of time and resources and requires skill and experience. An agency can take on everything from identifying influencers to negotiating contracts to measurement and reporting. 

At TopRank Marketing we were doing influencer marketing before it was cool (Yes, we’re B2B hipsters). We may not have invented it, but we’ve been at it a long time. In addition to knowledge, experience, and access to the latest tools, we have established relationships with hundreds of B2B influencers in dozens of industries.

We would love to be the secret driver of your extremely effective influencer marketing program. Ready to get started? Contact us today.

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Wednesday, 22 November 2023

Why Radical Humility is Key to Success

Why Radical Humility is Key to Success written by John Jantsch read more at Duct Tape Marketing

The Duct Tape Marketing Podcast with John Janstch

 

In this episode of the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast, I interviewed Jeffrey Hayzlett, a primetime television host of C-Suite with Jeffrey Hayzlett and Executive Perspectives on C-Suite TV, and business podcast host of All Business with Jeffrey Hayzlett on C-Suite Radio. He is a global business celebrity, speaker, best-selling author, and Chairman and CEO of C-Suite Network, home of the world’s most trusted network of C-Suite leaders. 

Key Takeaways:

The Hero Factor—a leadership philosophy emphasizing the prioritization of values, employee well-being, and community impact. Highlighting the importance of transparently publishing and living by these values, Hayzlett draws lessons from companies like Chick-fil-A and Starbucks. He underscores the relevance of conveying values consistently in both physical and digital realms. For CEOs aiming to instill change, he advises starting with defining and embodying core values. Humility, a key trait of hero leaders, is stressed as crucial in fostering a servant mentality towards employees and customers, ultimately shaping successful and impactful businesses.

Questions I ask Jeffrey Hayzlett:

  • [00:57] How do you view the expanding fractional C-suite industry?
  • [02:23] What is the Hero Factor?
  • [04:35] How do you instill values of radical humility in an organization?
  • [06:00] Is there a universal set of values every company should adhere to?
  • [06:54] As a company, how do you authentically communicate hero values?
  • [08:56] In a competitive market, how can values be communicated to attract like-minded individuals?
  • [11:56] Can a company’s actions conflicting with its stated values send a message of its own?
  • [13:24] In our increasingly digital world, are there specific techniques for communicating the hero factor?
  • [14:11] What suggestions do you have for demonstrating radical humility to employees?
  • [16:06] Can you give examples of challenges and misconceptions you’ve seen of people putting this concept into action?
  • [17:11] As a leader transforming company culture, how do you introduce the hero concept?
  • [19:18] What role does humility play in this scenario?
  • [20:06] Where can people connect with you and get a copy of the Hero Factor?

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John Jantsch (00:03): Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast. This is John Jantsch. My guest today is Jeffrey Hayzlett. He's a primetime television host of C-Suite with Jeffrey Hayzlett and executive Perspectives on c-Suite TV and business podcast host of all business with Jeffrey Hayzlett on C-Suite Radio. He is a global business celebrity speaker, bestselling author and chairman, and CEO of C-Suite Network, home of the world's most trusted network of c-suite leaders. He's the author of four bestselling business books and we're going to talk about his latest, the Hero Factor, how great leaders transform Organizations and create winning cultures. So Jeffrey, welcome to the show.

Jeffery Hayzlett (00:45): Hey, thank you so much for having me, John. I really appreciate it.

John Jantsch (00:49): This is my own personal question. So before we get into the book, I'm curious, where do you, with all the time you spend with C-suite leaders, where do you fall on the growing fractional c-suite industry?

Jeffery Hayzlett (01:02): I think it's a great thing to have. You got a heart problem, go to a cardiologist, you got a muffler problem, go to a muffler specialist, not some general practitioner. So in this case, one of the things we're seeing is that a lot of these experts can go and do lots of different things. They do this for whether it's a box of soap, a cure for disease, political candidate, it's all in the packaging. And so if you're a chief marketing officer, you can pretty much sell anything, do anything. And I think it's the same for CFOs, CIOs, CMOs, you can pretty much handle it. So I think it's actually a good thing for a lot of businesses because you actually get some expertise of people that you normally couldn't afford.

John Jantsch (01:41): Yeah, yeah, yeah. It comes with executive level, but you don't really maybe need to have a CFO sitting in the corner all day. Right.

Jeffery Hayzlett (01:49): A guy like me is going to cost you a couple mill in terms of cost for full-time if I wanted to do that full-time, plus stock benefits and everything else that you get. And that's not to say, geez, are you bragging or whatever. No, I'm just trying to give you the full range of that's indeed exactly what it costs at that level. But if you want to get that at a fraction of the cost for this time so I can help be the most strategic person in the room, that's a great way to do it.

John Jantsch (02:18): Yeah. Let's dive into the book and let's begin with the beginning. What is the hero factor?

Jeffery Hayzlett (02:26): It goes back to the time in which a guy named Rob Ryan started the hero group back in 1996. He sold his company for roughly 24.6 billion and give or take, alright. And when he sold that, he set aside a percentage of the company for every employee making the single largest number of millionaires ever created in one day. It's never been surpassed. Even with the sale of LinkedIn to Microsoft for 26 billion, it still didn't create as many millionaires as he did, and he didn't have to, it wasn't in writing or he and his wife, Terry, chief legal officer at the time, just decided they were going to give back and said, the people that helped us do what we did. So they gave everybody a set number of percentage of the company and made everybody these millionaires, and they would run up to 'em, John, and say, Hey, you're Mr. Ryan, you don't know me, but I'm the night watchman.

(03:16): I can send my kids to college. You're my hero. Or I'm the security guard, or excuse me, the janitor and my wife's mother is dying of cancer, but now she can live because she can get the operation. So you're our hero. And they didn't think much of being about being a hero, they were just trying to do the right thing. And what they did was they put people above profits. And that's really what hero leaders do. And we see that today where hero leaders, leaders of company put values at the top of their list of all the things to do rather than bottom line operational rather than just being in terms of single-minded focus around a theme or organization or a cause. But to really truly look at the people and all that they're representing in the company and serve those people, what they do is they gross more money, they net more money than the competition. They have employees who are happier, they have employees who are more engaged, customers that are happy and pleased and meeting conditions of satisfaction and vendors who want to do business with 'em. It just goes on. And so that's really truly what I hear our leader is all about.

John Jantsch (04:24): So you're not the first person to suggest this idea of strong values manifest in an organization, but for a lot of people it's sort of just an academic exercise. How do you instill these values so they're not just nice to have, they really exist and we enforce them and it's part of the culture?

Jeffery Hayzlett (04:42): Well, that sets companies apart because not everybody's going to have that. And those that do lead better. In terms of on page 12 of the book, I actually have a grid around those values and what sets people up. Are you a wannabe? Are you a do-gooder? Are you a bottom line or are you an asset company? I mean, there's lots of different ways you can set that on the grid, and it's just really truly, what is it you want to drive in terms of your business? And if there's nothing wrong with an operational excellence of company that's based on bottom line principles, bottom line, things like Walmarts and the GEs of the world, they do great products, great things, they're just not interested in values. And they might say, oh no, we give to the community, we do that. You do that because it meets your objectives and checks it off your box. You're not doing it because it's the primary thing you do. And that's the difference between hero companies. They want to be great companies. They don't want to be assholes. And in our group, they sign a pledge that says they're going to operate with certain principles. And I, to me, I'd like to see more companies do that. I'd like to see more people operate with greater values. I'd love to see countries do that as well because we're going through some real turmoil right now. So that's the difference. Not everybody can do it.

John Jantsch (06:00): Would you say there are a prescribed set of values then rather than you just have to find your core values and live them?

Jeffery Hayzlett (06:07): I mean, certainly depending on your upbringing. Alright. And your socialization, you

John Jantsch (06:12): Should steal, right?

Jeffery Hayzlett (06:13): Yeah. I mean for some that's a value form. I mean, it's just a bad value. But there are some companies, some people, some groups, they actually do that and that's what they believe in. I mean, there's certain groups we all know that's what they do. So it really depends on what drives your own moral compass in terms of how you want to be or your own personal conditions of satisfaction. We all have to have those. I talk about this all the time. I have my set of personal conditions of satisfaction, what are yours? And even with your family or with your employees or with your customers, you have to develop what those are.

John Jantsch (06:50): Alright, so let's say internally everybody says, yeah, we're going to be a hero company. How do you communicate that out to the world without sounding goofy at times? I mean, maybe some cases it makes total sense, right? To say we're a hero company and people get that. But in some cases maybe it doesn't make as much sense.

Jeffery Hayzlett (07:07): I don't think people who are hero companies say, I'm a hero company. I don't think that's the case, right? Yeah. I don't think anybody wakes up and says this morning, I'm going to be a hero. There are people that wake up and live great values and great ways of living your life and being great business people, being a great father, grandfather and so forth, grandmother for those women out there. And I think that's what you have to do. You have to do that. And as a result, you're a hero company as a result, you are a hero leader. And I talk about that in the book because there's nobody that I know that's a hero leader says, I want to be a hero. There's none. They just want to run great companies with great people's doing great things. And I think that's the most important thing is to really sit forth and say, this is what I want to be, and then what I want us to do and the scale that we want to have and the impact that we want to have.

(08:01): And I don't think we spend enough time thinking of that. Right? On the bottom of my website, it says New York, la, San Francisco and Sioux Falls, South Dakota, which is where I'm from. I'm sitting in Sioux Falls right now, but I have offices around the country and operate all over the world, and yet I say Sioux Falls, everybody says why? And then right behind that it says, because we can, and I do that because it's an homage to my hometown of Sioux Falls, but we can do all these things in our business. Why? Because we can't. You can choose these things and it might cost you more, it might be more time consuming, it might be harder, but you can do those things. You got to choose to make those a priority. And that's really truly what it's about.

John Jantsch (08:46): So a little bit of what I was getting at there is, I mean, you've clearly defined something that's a competitive advantage that's going to help you in the market that's going to help you attract talent. So how do you effectively communicate that in a way that draws people to that same mission,

Jeffery Hayzlett (09:04): Publish your values. I mean, that's one of the things you can do is right up front tell people, this is what we stand for and who we're going to be. And we all know those hero companies in our community. They pay for the little league, they sponsor the symphony, they do the things because they can and they should, and they choose to do that. So one of those would be able to publish those and say, this is the values that we live by. And I've seen some great companies that do that. And by the way, you don't have to agree with 'em either. You can disagree with them. I mean, let's take Truitt, my mind escapes me a second, I'll remember it in a second, but he's the Kathy Truitt, the head of Chick-fil-A has certain values that they believe in. They're upfront about those values.

(09:47): They don't open on Sunday because he believes that's the day of the Sabbath and we should rest. He also doesn't believe in same-sex marriage. That's one of his values. It's out there and you can believe you agree with him, disagree with him, but those are the values. He puts 'em out there. And he also makes a really good chicken sandwich, right? With a pickle on it. I mean, no sauce been very successful. And as a result, by publishing that, pushing it, he attracts a certain group and doing a certain thing his way. That's it. You agree with that or not? On the other end, you've got Howard Schultz from Starbucks, who is by the way, completely opposite on the political spectrum of Mr. Truett, but yet they operate in a certain way, certain form, and you could agree or disagree with that. And yet they're very successful.

(10:35): So the key is to be able to really and live the values. And that's important because you think back when I use it as an example in the book where two black men walked into a Philadelphia Starbucks and the manager said, if you're not going to buy something, get out. We all know this, John, and you've gone to Starbucks, we've all gone to four bucks or five bucks, whatever you want to call 'em. And you walk in there and you can sit there all day and work in there and never buy a thing. That's right. Because it's really a place for community and it just happens to sell coffee and all this other stuff. And yet here was two black men sitting in this inner city, Philly, waiting for a business partner to come by or somebody they were pitching or something along those lines.

(11:17): And they were going to get coffee. They admitted that they were going to get coffee, but the police came, kicked them out the whole bit. It was a very big controversial kind of thing. And Howard Schultz shut the company down for a day and said, we're going to go back and relive our values. We're going to teach people again. This is what we are. We're a place of community. You don't have to buy anything to come in here because that's what's made us successful because we're a meeting place for people to come together, and as a result, we sell coffee. And so I think those are really great things. So living the values, if you live those values, then people will see that's what you do. It's a slower way to get customers sometimes, but nonetheless, you get customers for life.

John Jantsch (11:55): But I think it's a great point too though, because we've probably all seen companies that say, this is what we stand for, but then their actions sometimes suggest otherwise, I'll use your Chick-fil-A example. A lot of airports are not very happy with them not being open on Sunday. And in fact, in some cases have said, you have to be. And they said, we're willing to not be here. I mean, that sends a pretty strong message, doesn't it?

Jeffery Hayzlett (12:18): I got to stand up for him. I mean, listen, I don't appreciate his views on same-sex marriage. It's not my belief. I don't like that. I got a cousin who happens to be gay, and I don't particularly care that they wouldn't recognize my cousin's partner. I don't like that. But they still got a good chicken sandwich. And I know my cousin still goes there and eats as well. By the way, in this country, you're entitled to your opinions. You're entitled to your beliefs. Even though I might not agree with them, it doesn't mean I can't eat your chicken sandwich. All right? So it just means on those things we choose to disagree, but we'll still be civil. And it's okay to have that. By the way, politicians should learn that right now.

John Jantsch (12:58): Yeah, there's actually a case to be made for a little polarization in your marketing if you're going to stick to it, because the people you're talking about are probably extra loyal to a company that maybe shares their values. Let's talk about, we've been talking about physical spaces. Let's talk a little bit about how this plays out in the digital world that we live in now, where increasingly we're not interacting with individuals and companies. Is there something to be learned in terms of new techniques of communicating the hero factor in this

Jeffery Hayzlett (13:31): Increasingly digital world and breathing it? If you're online or offline, you still have your own values of what they are, and you still should put those through, and they should come through digitally as well. That doesn't mean just because you're not there and face-to-face or you're not communicating that by broadcast or by advertising. Certainly a brand is nothing but a promise delivered. If you're delivering that promise online, you're still delivering those same core beliefs and values that you believe in terms of being a hero club.

John Jantsch (14:00): How would you suggest this? There are a lot of people that they don't necessarily treat their employees different than customers, but they view them different obviously, than customers. But I'm guessing that the hero factor doesn't care. In fact, maybe starts with being a hero to your employees first.

Jeffery Hayzlett (14:19): You try to be, it's hard for us because as business people, we're always put customers first. We've been taught that since back in the seventies and eighties, when those books were there, who was it that came out first? Tom Peters customers always right. If customers ever wrong, reread rule number one. So we've grown up with that and know that to be true, but to serve the people that you're going to serve, you have to make sure that those serving are treated at the same level. And we sometimes cut a little corners with that. And we have to go back and remind ourselves, I need to treat you in the same way I treat them because you're an extension of me. And so most hero leaders do put their employees first.

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Jeffery Hayzlett (16:18): Well, the biggest problem is that 53% of the company don't even know what the values are in all companies, I think operate with some level of value or value system. But if a majority of your own employees don't even know what the value system is, you've already behind the eight ball before you begin. So you got to really start there. And it's not easy. Trust me, it's not easy, especially with new employees, new ways of doing things. The post covid world where everything's been speeded up days, weeks, became months, became years. So it's been very difficult to do that. And we're not having the interaction that human interaction like we have, but there are ways to get around some of that by making every meeting on Zoom or video and connecting as much as possible. So there's better ways of being able to do it, but that's where it's really become more difficult for us to be able to do that. But you just have to try harder.

John Jantsch (17:11): Alright, so let's say you're the new CEO. You've been brought in to turn the ship around. And one of the things you realize is culture's pretty pretty not good here. And you want to bring this hero concept in. How do you start?

Jeffery Hayzlett (17:27): You get together with the team that's going to implement it, and you say, we have to come up with some great values. We have to say, what is it we're going to stand for as a company if we know that a brand is a promise delivered, first of all, what's our promise? What problem are we solving and how is that different from everybody else? Now in that, how are we going to do that? How are we going to operate together and are we going to operate with our customers? How are we going to operate with our vendors and how are we going to operate with those around us in the community and everything else that make up our city, our towns, our states, or whatever? And so that's where you start is that fundamental conversation. You get agreement around that and then start living to that agreement, which is not an easy thing to do.

(18:10): But once you start doing that, then it starts to happen. And then I think you also have to address John, the mood. What's going to be our mood? How are we going to do it? It's one thing to operate with values, but are we going to go at it by dragging ourselves the line, or are we going to run into it? And that's really where you have to have some really hard and very transparent discussions. And then with leaders, you have to operate with what I call healthy tension. You have to have some tension and confront things when you see things and allow your employees to confront you as well when you're not operating inside those values.

John Jantsch (18:48): Yeah, probably the biggest rule breaker, right, is the person.

Jeffery Hayzlett (18:54): Sometimes it's tough. It's not easy being the ceo. It's not easy being one of the c-suite leaders. We like to think that we're the smartest people in the room or not. Our job is to be the most strategic people in the room. And our work at the C-Suite network that we do is to help people become that most strategic person that we're serving in that room.

John Jantsch (19:15): I probably should ask this in the beginning, but I'll wrap us up here. What role does humility play in this leader's new life?

Jeffery Hayzlett (19:23): I think you have to have a servant mentality to be a hero leader, without question, you have to want to serve others, whether that's cleaning the toilets or at the, sometimes standing in front of thousands or millions on television, talking about what your company is and what you're doing and how you're trying to serve your community. But the core is you got to get you better. Check yourself before you wreck yourself to quote a great movie quote. And it's important for you to look inside and make sure that you've got everything set up and lined up. And sometimes that takes some coaching, it takes some, obviously some ongoing education, some motivation, some inspiration, and it's important for you as a leader to get that.

John Jantsch (20:03): Jeffrey, I appreciate you taking a moment to stop by the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast. Is there anywhere you'd invite people to connect with you and then obviously pick up a copy of the Hero Factor?

Jeffery Hayzlett (20:12): Well, thank you so much. I appreciate that. You can go to hayzlett.com, H-A-Y-Z-L-E-T-T.com, or the C suite network.com. You could find us there, and we'll be there for all, anything and everything you might need.

John Jantsch (20:26): Awesome. Again, I appreciate you taking a moment, and hopefully we'll run into you one of these days out there on the road.



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